I'm not sure if this has been addressed since searching on the forums here is challenging with this forum software. But has anyone found a solution to starter failures in the backcountry with the Can Ams with their lack of backup recoil?

Ski-Doo 800 and 1000cc sleds have recoil start, so it's not a matter of the "engine being too big." I fire up my 800 Summit that's got 175 lbs of compression on each cylinder with one pull with one hand, and I'm a small guy.

If I've just crossed a deep stream, them spend a cold night back in the woods, I would hate the feeling of finding out my starter wouldn't engage, turn, work at all, etc. And the primary clutch isn't practical to wrap a line around and pull start that way.

Anyways - you get my point. If this has been discussed before, I apologize and would appreciate a link, but I sure couldn't find one.

Thanks!

If your starter is gone, you're up the creek.
If the battery voltage is too low, the computer won't work, so without a boost you're up the creek even with a recoil, because the magneto doesn't generate enough juice to fire up the gerbils inside the computer at that engine speed.
Our solution is NEVER go out by yourself, and bring at least one good push-rope.
I've always wondered about this as well but never heard of a way of doing it.
Guess one could use a 14MM allen bit chucked up in a powerful cordless drill to turn the engine with, but still need a minimum required battery charge to run your electronics.
No idea why Bomb did this (or didn't) don't ask, but I agree there should be a recoil there as far as I am concerned.
Maybe someone else has some tricky back country solution.

ICE-FLO wrote:

because the magneto doesn't generate enough juice to fire up the gerbils inside the computer at that engine speed.

Interesting way of putting it.

You could go four wheelin' with Barney Frank. He could suck start it for ya!!!

You are correct on the snosleds, but they are 2 strokes. I have a v-1000 4 stroke and no pull start. As the above posts have stated, don't go out alone or carry a battery(boost) pack. I have 2, 400's and they both have pull starts, but they are a 1 cylinder and both have carbs not efi.

I guess for hard core Alaskan hunters, this one thing hurts sales of the big Bombers. I haven't been stranded yet, but it is a little worrisome when we're camping way out in the bush.

I guess it is just "preparing for the worst". Suzuki just did away with there pull start on the new 750. 7 years, 3 quads and over 15000 miles and I never had the need for a pull start or had anyone in the groups I have ridden with benefit from a pull start.

What kills shoulders is compression (and if there's a built in recoil compression release), not whether a machine is two or four stroke. And it obviously can work since they were on the King Quad up til now!

The computer thing is right up there too. Again, my sled has a computer (MPEM) with NO BATTERY. There are also EFI sleds with no battery, so it certainly can be done.

Krusty - you're right.

IMO the recoil start is not really needed - you dont have one on your truck, and we all get by without it.

Although it would be nice to have when the starter fails, and it is possible to engineer one into the Atv's design. (suzuki used a capacitor in the recoil to charge up the ECM) But chances are it will hardly, if ever get used. And when you do finally need it will probably be seized up from sitting so long.

So, as said above, don't ride alone and carry booster cables if you do get in trouble.

I see your point, however I use my wheeler in conditions my truck would never/rarely see. Deep water crossings, rock crawling, etc... And trucks DO leave you stranded, however usually it's on the road system and near someone else to jump you, etc.

So basically - you always need to be riding in a group...which is true in general, but especially with Can AM.

My backwoods country side solution is to just sleep with it a few times and it starts to love you so much it never dies.Nah but in reality i pet it a few times and beg it to start.Then after it doesnt my blood pressure rises and tempers fly .You eventually kick it and break your foot ,Then your twice as screwed as you were before.Then somehow your bunny hoppin with 1 leg and you step on a twig and hurt your other foot.Then you accidently fall infront or in the back of your quad without the brakes locked.It slowly rolls ontop of you and breaks your hands.Then your pretty much crap out of luck when the animals come out at night.LOL.O have no idea why they done away with the recoil starter alot of atvs did away with it.My bb has it but my honda doesnt.My honda i can have it added but i aint paying xtra.Truth be told my four wheeler has rollin over me before.And it hurts like *beep*.I also hurt my foot kicking it and accidently hit the floor board.As for my hands well no idea what happened there.Before you know it your in the grip of a pteradactle 100 feet up a mountain .when it accidently drops you .you somehow generate enough force to start your quad .But the quads throttle gets stuck and before you know it it leaves you behind.by that time i would say poor me LOL anyways i agree with you guys.

Dear Chevrltz71,
All fuel injected ATV's do not have back up rope starters reguardless of brand. They require enough battery power to complete the curcuits to start the ATV. Of course this is a problem when the battery dies out. Therefore, always ride with a friend and keep a new battery in your atv. I always replace batteries every two years in my Can Am 800 LTD.

gls800 wrote:

Dear Chevrltz71, All fuel injected ATV's do not have back up rope starters reguardless of brand. They require enough battery power to complete the curcuits to start the ATV. Of course this is a problem when the battery dies out. Therefore, always ride with a friend and keep a new battery in your atv. I always replace batteries every two years in my Can Am 800 LTD.

For 2010, Kawasaki has Fitted the pull rope starter on the FI Brute Force 750's. Before it was only available as a option on the FI.
When Suzuki had the rope starter on the King Quad FI 700's, their reason was to have the back up rope just incase there wasn't enough charge in the battery for the starter but enough of a battery charge to run the computer after a rope pull and get you home. Because of the cc increase and other upgrades, the weight issue was the main factor, the rope starter was dropped off of the Suzy 750.

Looked at 3 brand new 2010 Kawasaki 750 Brute forces, none of them had a back up pull starter. I imagine in time they all will have them but for now, ride with another ATV. It is the smart thing to do anyways.

1. Don't ride alone.
2. Keep a double alligator cord on you for jumping in the field.

....and I have started a sled at least with rope off the primary. It's scary and you have to be very careful. I should take the chance to try it with my gade and see if it's possible.

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